Well, the hearing was an
enlightening day. Jordan and I were able to spend a couple hours with a
gentleman from Greensburg before the hearing and I was shocked by what we were
told. As far as the hearing itself, it looks like out of the 17 committee
members we have 12 in favor and 5 against but that is based soley on the 12
saying they will "probably" support the bill and they are "A" rated by NRA. We
have not gotten the vote results yet. After we were done they had another bill
to hold hearing on and they did not work the
bill or vote at that time. They will
probably work it and vote next week. I'll keep you posted on
that.
As far as Greensburg, here is the shocking truth. I will
simply state the facts. First of all, understand that it is not lawful to carry
out a mandatory evacuation unless martial law has been declared. Martial law was
NOT declared and folks in the town were told they had to leave and some were
forced to leave at gun point because they didn't want to leave. The tornado
happened at 9:46pm and they were forced to leave within a couple hours of it,
being given no time to collect themselves or assess the damages or even try to
pick up anything such as guns and valuables to take with them. Ed Klummp, Police
Chiefs Association, testified against the bill and said the evacuations were so
they could search for bodies and shut off gas and power. This town was locked
down tight for 4 days and no one was allowed in or out. The only people in that
town those 4 days were Sheriffs Officers, Kansas Highway Patrol
Officers, ATF, FEMA, National Guard,
Police Officers from surrounding areas and some volunteers from Ft. Riley. They
claim no one else was there or could have gotten in and out. Many guns and other
valuables such as jewelry have gone permanently missing and have never been
recovered. There were some houses that were not destroyed and were in tact at
one end of town. Those folks did not want to leave but were forced to leave.
When they returned they found their front doors kicked in and all of their guns
and jewelry missing. Guns and ammo that were collected were taken to a trailer
(18 wheeler size) and an ATF agent manned the trailer. When people first came to
collect their guns they had to fill out a 4473 and get a nics approval before
they could claim their guns. No one had paperwork, receipts, or lists of serial
numbers because it had all blown away. Later into the process they quit
demanding these items. Apparantly many guns were claimed by not the rightful
owner. One man had 75 guns that did not belong to him, which he was busted for
trying to sell. In one of the houses they busted into they found 5 full auto
guns, C-4 explosive, grenades and a rocket launcher. This gentleman claimed to
be ex military and kept them from that time. He was not charged as it was
determined to be an illegal search and seizure. The people in Greensburg are a
close, tight knit community, everyone
knows everyone kind of place. They were very resentful of government coming in
and telling them what they had to do. They would have preferred to stay and help
each other locate valuables and guns and not leave their property. In one case,
in the collection trailer, a gun box was claimed by one man who had a very nice
gun in it and when he opened the undamaged and closed box, not a mark on the
box, he found an old rusted gun that was not his. Supposedly, 2 police officers
from Wichita who were part of the task force during the 4 day evacuation were
fired because they were found to have stolen guns and trying to sell them. The
comment made to us was that none of the really nice guns were found. The main
source of this information was a gentleman from Greensburg who is an FFL and has
a gun shop outside of town and he is also a gunsmith. He sold a good portion of
those guns to people in Greensburg and also has been working to repair many of
their guns in the aftermath. When he went to claim his guns, from his home, not
his shop as the shop was in tact, and they
did not break in the shop and take anything, he said the ATF agent basically
told him to take anything he wanted. There was no collection list and guns were
NOT cataloged for location of discovery or anything like that.
Now just
a quicky of what my opinion is. The folks in that town had their constitutional
rights violated from the get go. I am appalled at what happened there and can
tell you I would never leave my property under those circumstances. I guess
those over zealous government agents would have to shoot me which was a close
case almost scenario in Greensburg but the citizens gave in. I would not give
in. The people in that town who were already traumatized by the tornado were
further traumatized by government officials. If there were no civilians and no
looters then where are all the missing guns. Funny how all the missing guns are
the nicest, most expensive guns. Also funny how there was no media coverage of
any of this and it was kept very hush, hush but then we all know the media and
what cxxp they espouse to.
As this bill moves through the process the
entire population of KS needs to raise it's voice in the loudest manner to see
to it the bill gets passed. Once it passes out of the House committee it will go
to the Senate committee. People need to educate themselves on what their rights
are in times of disaster. The folks in Greensburg thought they didn't have a
choice about leaving because that's what they were told and that was a lie.
PEOPLE NEED TO GET INVOLVED!!! Yes, I just shouted that. I
was shocked by the fact that only 3 people turned out to attend the hearing to
support our side, other than those of us who testified. The NRA sent an alert
out to its members in KS, I sent an alert out to my 2000 member database urging
them to come in support and 3 people show up. There is power in numbers. When a
hearing room is full of proponents, legislators take notice.
I was terribly angered by what I
found out Thursday and feel very bad
for the people of Greensburg. It literally made me sick to hear all this and
wish I had been told when it was happening. There had been a few rumors but the
rumors were vague with no actual evidence or proof and were not first hand
detailed accounts. The people of Greensburg will never be the same. Emergency
Powers Legislation has been passed in 22 other states and is actively going
through the process of being enacted in several other states. The NRA has made
it a priority to see to it that it gets passed in all 50 states. We need to
support the NRA in this effort.
If this doesn't give us all a wake up
call, I don't know what will.
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Patricia A. Stoneking
Northeast Quadrant Director, Board of Directors, Kansas State
Rifle Association
P. O. Box 117
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